truthBtold
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WAR f*ck'em
any muslims here
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angelita_bonita
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truth u harsh
2 wrongs dnt make a right
and right now we beter than them so dnt be saying fo us to do somthin stupid and makes us like them
2 wrongs dnt make a right
and right now we beter than them so dnt be saying fo us to do somthin stupid and makes us like them
Actually, the mistreatment of women and terrorism are not endorsed by the Qu'ran. If you want to refute this point, then please site the verses. I learned quite a bit about Islam a few years ago, because I was dating this sexy Egyptian girl. It's amazing how much misinformation there is, regarding Islam.
Slavery is endorsed in the Qu'ran, but only with limits. In fact, the Qu'ran is far more restrictive regarding slavery than the Bible. The Bible is far more violent, advocating outright genocide (read the book of Joshua).
Actually, the Qu'ran prescribes no punishment for removing hijaab or niqaab (the head scarf and the veil). Any instances of punishment are based upon culture, not religion.
Any religion can be used to brainwash people. How do you think Bush won reelection? He got the evangelical Christian vote because he scared them into believing that Muslims were out to kill them.the religion plays a HUGE part in terrorism (Jihad)... that is how they brainwash the people (blow yourself up and get 75 virgins).
and yes I know, not every muslim is a terrorist. there are a few that aren't.
As for your second statement, there are more Hindu terrorists than any other religion in the world. You don't hear about these Hindu terrorists because they're based in Sri Lanka, fighting against India. It's a political struggle. Look up the Tamil Tigers. There are Christian terrorists based in South America, as well. You don't hear about them either because again, they're not attacking the US. The media makes you think all terrorists are Muslims, but that's simply not the truth.
The motivation behind terrorism is political. Remove the political motivation and the terrorism ceases to exist. This has been proven time and again, but imperialists don't want the public to know this because it eliminates one of their most effective mind control tactics...fear.
I have, though I must admit, I skimmed over many parts. I have also read the Sunnah. I haven't touched any of the hadiths.
angelita_bonita
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man u better stop running everyone elses opinion into the ground
angelita_bonita
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say whaaa?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
what u say?????
doey i tells ya u almost nver make sense boi LOL
what u say?????
doey i tells ya u almost nver make sense boi LOL
Opinion? I merely refuted beliefs based upon ignorance. How can your belief be true when it's based upon propaganda? I don't like seeing people mislead. Like I said, if anyone wants to refute any of my points, please cite sources. I will cite sources, myself. You can read these sources and judge for yourself. That's what any intelligent person does, anyway, right? I have no problem with a true discussion, based upon facts.
Question everything.
truthBtold
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you dated an Egyptian girl now you are an Islamic scholar? I work with a couple Chinese guys, guess I can expect to be speaking Chinese soon! lol
Actually you are wrong,
An-Nisa, 34
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part you fear nushuz, admonish them (first), (then) wahjuruhunna fi?l madhaji?i (abandon them in beds), (and last) wadhrubuhunna (hit them); and if they obey you, seek not against them means (of annoyance or harm), for God is most high, and Great (above you all).
The incidence in many Muslim-majority countries (where women hide their bruises and little is ever reported to authorities) is uncertain, but believed to be great by Muslim feminists. One recent study, in Syria, found that 25% of the married women surveyed said that they had been beaten by their husbands. [1] The World Health Organization reports high levels of domestic abuse in Muslim countries with, for instance, over half of all Palestinian women reporting being beaten in the previous year. Not only do more Muslim women report being beaten than most non-Muslim women, the frequency of such beatings is usually much higher as well.
here are some sources...
* Azizah Y. al-Hibri, An Islamic Perspective on Domestic Violence (pdf), Vol. 37, Fordham International Law Journal, 2003.
* Moiz Amjad, Beating wives in Islam, Understanding-islam.com
a b Javed Ahmed Ghamidi, Mizan, Chapter:The Social Law of Islam
A min Ahsan Islahi, Tadabbur-i-Qur'an, 2nd ed., vol. 2, (Lahore: Faran Foundation, 1986), p. 292
a b Jamal Badawi, The status of women in Islam
Hey Doe
some Johnny come lately comes waltzing in here and you doubt me? lol NEVER doubt THE TRUTH!
truthBtold
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Did I say I was a scholar? No, I simply said that I know more than you on this subject.
If you devoted your time to learning Chinese, then yes, you could.
This is a poor translation. You should know better than to use wikipedia. The correct translation is something closer to "nudge". There is no direct translation from Arabic to English. The Arabic word that is used (ضرب) is not a violent word.
This much I will say. The verse has been used to justify abuse of women, just as many verses of the Bible have been used to commit atrocities. I am not a Muslim and never will be. It's not for me (I'm leaning toward Buddhism). I just believe that you are going to criticize, it should be done with proper knowledge.
You do realize that Islam was the first religion (and political system) to give women the right to inherit and own property? It also gave women the right to hold positions of power centuries before it happened in Europe.
This is cultural, not religious. Can we honestly say that we're any better in the US? Like I said, I am not a Muslim and never will be. But is what we have truly better? I am not so sure.
truthBtold
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AGAIN...here are some sources...
* Azizah Y. al-Hibri, An Islamic Perspective on Domestic Violence (pdf), Vol. 37, Fordham International Law Journal, 2003.
* Moiz Amjad, Beating wives in Islam, Understanding-islam.com
a b Javed Ahmed Ghamidi, Mizan, Chapter:The Social Law of Islam
A min Ahsan Islahi, Tadabbur-i-Qur'an, 2nd ed., vol. 2, (Lahore: Faran Foundation, 1986), p. 292
a b Jamal Badawi, The status of women in Islam
There is no direct translation from Arabic to English. The Arabic word that is used (ضرب) is not a violent word.
How convenient, many words don't have direct translation, but it is believed by many so called scholars to mean violence.
People have fought for centuries as to the meanings of the words in various religious books. What a religious book says or doesn't say is of far less importance than how the followers interpret and act upon them... wouldn't you agree?
I respect your views up until the point where you question if we are any better in the US than in such places as Afghanistan or Pakistan? Would you really consider raising your daughter in Afghanistan?
yes, Cleopatra did hold a position of power!
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Actually, a majority of the information I gained was through my own research, not from my girlfriend. She was merely the inspiration.
I'll have to look at these sources at a later time.
And it is also believed to not mean violence by many. It is a point for dispute, yet you claim that it does mean violence. Too many people disagree for there to be any sort of concensus on that particular verse. So, look at the rest of the Qu'ran. Look at the Sunnah. Read some hadiths. You will find many passages which tell men to treat women with respect.
I do agree, however, you are making implications based on assumptions and lack of knowledge.
Did I mention Afghanistan? Take a look at the UAE. Take a look at Malaysia. Those are also Muslim nations. They also happen to have very minimal foreign influence in their politics. As a result, they are much more tolerant. The intolerance comes from decades of oppression. It's a natural reaction.
You do know that Cleopatra was not a Muslim, right? Islam was not created until several hundred years after her time.
truthBtold
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assumptions and lack of knowledge? yeah thats me! ok professor I forgot you studied at the University of Egyptian Poontang
truthBtold
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and I'm still waiting on your terrorism statistics
Unfortunately, it's difficult to find a source the compares statistics based upon religious affiliation. But, here is something for you to chew on.
http://www.tkb.org/Group.jsp?groupID=3623 (in Sri Lanka)
http://www.tkb.org/Group.jsp?groupID=218 (in Columbia)
http://www.tkb.org/Group.jsp?groupID=96 (also in Columbia)
http://www.tkb.org/Group.jsp?groupID=126 (also in Columbia)
There are many more, but I only have so much time.
One issue to consider when analyzing terrorism statistics is the actual definition of terrorism. I'm sure you consider Hamas to be a terrorist organization, but not everyone shares your view. And while you might think they're crazy, you have to realize that these people exist and they live and breath on this planet, just the same as you do. Perception is reality.
Here is an article on a study of suicide terrorist motivations.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/journals/254/suicide_terrorism.html
This is not the first study to come to this conclusion. Here's some more.
By the way, overall, we still know very little about terrorism. Our government prefers to make assumptions and demonize these people without making an effort to understand their motivations. Keep in mind that understanding to not mean justifying. However, if you understand the motivations, perhaps you can learn to avoid creating an enviroment which allows terrorism to flourish. That is where the US fails miserably. This "shoot first and ask questions later" strategy is going to hurt us in the long run.
That's right. There is no central terrorism database.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/journals/254/suicide_terrorism.html
This is not the first study to come to this conclusion. Here's some more.
By the way, overall, we still know very little about terrorism. Our government prefers to make assumptions and demonize these people without making an effort to understand their motivations. Keep in mind that understanding to not mean justifying. However, if you understand the motivations, perhaps you can learn to avoid creating an enviroment which allows terrorism to flourish. That is where the US fails miserably. This "shoot first and ask questions later" strategy is going to hurt us in the long run.
That's right. There is no central terrorism database.
truthBtold
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again I don't refute that there are more than just Muslim terrorists, but I still say they account for the lion share of terrorist actions (bombings/killings).
whatever their motivation is... political, religious, or whatever personally isn't important to me... for me death is death and the sooner they are stopped the better for all of us. I would say it is important for those militaries /governments who are trying to stop them to understand the differences.
As far as Hamas being a terrorist organization... now that's a loaded question!
I'll checkout the articles though... thanks
whatever their motivation is... political, religious, or whatever personally isn't important to me... for me death is death and the sooner they are stopped the better for all of us. I would say it is important for those militaries /governments who are trying to stop them to understand the differences.
As far as Hamas being a terrorist organization... now that's a loaded question!
I'll checkout the articles though... thanks
