Do you think all Mexicans have the right to come live

[truthBtold]

no we are going to talk about MORAL RIGHTS??? Don't strain yourself as you R-E-A-C-H.

 

[Rose]

I'll take that as a "No, you didn't say or imply that."
Thanks.

That doesn't make sense- but in a nutshell I believe that US Natives, Whites of European ancestry, US people of Mexican ancestry, other citizens of whatever ancestry should be here and have equality. We are a legitimate nation and have borders. We have around 350 million people here now. I think it's enough.

 

[Observer]

so where are you getting your information from... you pulling it out of your a$$?

What, no apology?
Well, I'm sorry for making you out to be a fool.
I cant help it, and you have tendency to make it easy.

Again, you have to go a little further than what your 11th grade public school history teacher told you.

How much further? What would a genius, such as yourself, suggest? Say...maybe reading...oh I dunno...one hundred fifty seconds of text on the 'net?

 

[4oldndns]

Thanks for sharing about your mother.
Did you grow up with indigenous lifeways?
The reason I ask is because usually when a person has not been raised indigenous or with native american way they usually just go by what most antroplogists and religious or government historians have documented in libros....

My mother is.

 

[truthBtold]

there are many books on the subject, try reading 1 or 2.
You are a dolt if you really think that fathers and sons were killing each other over black slaves.
It's one thing for you to be ignorant, we all are on some things, but when you refuse to see logic and fact- well then you have chosen to wear your dunce cap with pride.

 

[Observer]

That doesn't make sense-

Actually, it make perfect sense . I'll show you:

Rose: Mexico or Spain never "morally" owned it either.
Observer: Did I ever say or even imply otherwise?
Rose: Very few have any moral rights to land. Most came from somewhere else. There is even mounting evidence that others were here for long periods before the AmerIndians came to North America. Whoever lives on the land, holds onto it and makes it what it is has the rights. Morality is also in the eyes of the beholder and has never been what the world was run by. It is a higher human trait that is easy to talk about and try to implement in good times. What's normal is base human nature.
Observer: I'll take that as a "No, you didn't say or imply that."

 

[truthBtold]

Rose thanks for your incite, very interesting and informative.

 

[Rose]

Maybe you should read old documents of various kinds, old diarys, look at census records, etc. There's all sorts of old documents out there if you really want to know. That article looks like it was written by someone who has looked at them. I've looked at quite a lot of them. Never trust public school info.

 

[4oldndns]

Rose thanks for your incite, very interesting and informative.

incite........you could get racked-up by the feds for any kind of incite-stick to insight Rosa.

 

[Observer]

there are many books on the subject, try reading 1 or 2.
You are a dolt if you really think that fathers and sons were killing each other over black slaves.
It's one thing for you to be ignorant, we all are on some things, but when you refuse to see logic and fact- well then you have chosen to wear your dunce cap with pride.

You get made a fool and you start...what was you cried about the other day? Oh yeah, showing your true colors and name-calling. Funny.

I never said nor even implied that "fathers and sons [so dramatic--you ever think of working for the History Channel?] were killing each other over black slaves." That's as ignorant as saying "gangs kill over colors." But, the issue of slavery was central to the Civil War, you'd have to be ignoramus of epic proportions (or maybe have been duped by seventy-five seconds of online text) to say otherwise.

 

[truthBtold]

no, I meant incite. lol.

 

[Rose]

Thanks for sharing about your mother.
Did you grow up with indigenous lifeways?
The reason I ask is because usually when a person has not been raised indigenous or with native american way they usually just go by what most antroplogists and religious or government historians have documented in libros....

No, my Mom was adopted as a toddler by a White couple. Her parents and Grandfater were killed in a car wreck at that time and there was no one to take care of her on the reservation in Oklahoma. Actually her grandmother tried to for a while, but was rather neglectful and she was sexually abused by a teenage uncle- so courts took her away. She loves her adopted family and hasn't had much other experience with Cherokees. She was an only child so no family like that to find.

 

[truthBtold]

the dolt wears his dunce cap with pride. what a clown. read a book on the subject then preach to us.

 

[Observer]

Maybe you should read old documents of various kinds, old diarys, look at census records, etc. There's all sorts of old documents out there if you really want to know. That article looks like it was written by someone who has looked at them. I've looked at quite a lot of them. Never trust public school info.

I have, many times. And to say that the issue of slavery wasn't central to the Civil War is moronic. The issue of slavery was so central to this nation, that it's mentioned in the Constitution.

 

[Observer]

BP's court-jester is hurt.
Pull you head out of your ass and take it like a bitch.
You got fucked thinking you were "on my level."
What a fucking buffoon. lol

 

[truthBtold]

BP's court-jester is hurt.
Pull you head out of your ass and take it like a bitch.
You got fucked thinking you were "on my level."
What a fucking buffoon. lol

nah, that 'blood in, blood out" jail sex is your people's way- not mine ese.

your ignorance was exposed here. case closed.

 

[Observer]

incite........you could get racked-up by the feds for any kind of incite-stick to insight Rosa.

Oh shit.

 

[Observer]

your ignorance was exposed here. case closed.

Damn, what to say, what to say...?
Oh, I have it..
No your ignorance was exposed here.
Now what?

Keep at it, simpleton.

 

[Rose]

I have, many times. And to say that the issue of slavery wasn't central to the Civil War is moronic. The issue of slavery was so central to this nation, that it's mentioned in the Constitution.

I don't know what documents- even old newspapers of the time you've read to come to that conclusion- not what I've read. Of course the government and the North wanted to make this seem noble on their part. My god, just knowing human nature should tell you that humans are never going to fight simply for the well being of other people. Any time that "excuse" has been used it's always been a smokescreen for something else. All the northerners died so slaves could be free- [crazy].

People believe what they want. I saw my mom try to talk to people about how wrong and useless it was to go into Iraq- not only did it fall on deaf ears- they got mad. She was quite shoked that they could see things so differently when they seemed so clear to her.

 

[4oldndns]

no, I meant incite. lol.

So what is your objective truthbee?