no matter what one's stance on the issue is this right?

[DoeMemba]

see the links, bitch- Oh but now they're biased-gee I forgot that any derogatory information about immigrants or Hispanics is biased
you are such a moron it really is very, very hard to believe that anyone could be as dumb as you

The National Center For Education Statistics- biased?

The U.S. Bureau Of Justice Stastics- biased?

The article that you posted yourself which confirms what I said- biased?

in your warped racist bigotted mind there isN'T enough time to talk about ALL the facts.
and you know what?
it is a true honest fact that latinas are dropping out because of making stupid decisions,
and it is a fact that latinos in general are dropping out because their parents can’t work 60 hour shifts anymore to feed a family of 6, it is a fact that single latina mothers have to work 3 jobs to feed their daughter or their children and leave their children with a feeling of abandonment,
it is a fact that many latinos hate being stereotyped as mexican when they are colombian or ecuadorian or costa rican,
it is a fact that there is a huge population of undocumented latinos which is unfortunate but it’s true.

all those FACTS can't fit in your racist warped mind though.

 

[Right Wing]

Here: I'll even help you:


http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/05/19/latinas.pregnancy.rate/index.html


The survey attempts to examine some of the reasons for the disparity and why Latinas now have the highest teen birth rate among all ethnic and racial groups in the United States

 

[Right Wing]

in your warped racist bigotted mind there is enough time to talk about ALL the facts.
and you know what?
it is a true honest fact that latinas are dropping out because of making stupid decisions,
and it is a fact that latinos in general are dropping out because their parents can’t work 60 hour shifts anymore to feed a family of 6, it is a fact that single latina mothers have to work 3 jobs to feed their daughter or their children and leave their children with a feeling of abandonment,
it is a fact that many latinos hate being stereotyped as mexican when they are colombian or ecuadorian or costa rican,
it is a fact that there is a huge population of undocumented latinos which is unfortunate but it’s true.

all those FACT can't fit in your racist warped mind though.

Gee....maybe you shouldn't have a family of 6 if you can't support them? I know- that's just more racist crazy talk- right?

How about the high incarceration rates and the highest teen birth rates? What's your explanation there? racism maybe?

 

[steve doocy]

Abusive, derogatory and even racist behavior directed at House Democrats by Tea Party protesters on Saturday left several lawmakers in shock.




Why don't you read what you copy and paste dip sh!t.

The truth is Judge Judy, well truth be told he is right, mookie. The title of the thread itself is a question. It is "no matter what one's stance on the issue is this right?"

The question mark at the end indicates the difference between whether it is or not. Did you read the title? You should pay attention to the entirety of the original source of the thread if you are to comment or else you assume and could end up making a fool out of yourself.

Woof Woof doggie, but you're wrong.

You don't really pay attention, but hey that's just in my opinion.

 

[steve doocy]

Here: I'll even help you:


http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/05/19/latinas.pregnancy.rate/index.html


The survey attempts to examine some of the reasons for the disparity and why Latinas now have the highest teen birth rate among all ethnic and racial groups in the United States

How does that excuse shouting racist epithets at John Lewis? How is it even related to that regarding this Health Care bill? Like reform or not what does one have to do with the other?

You aren't paying attention, but hey that's in my modest opinion.

 

[steve doocy]

Gee....maybe you shouldn't have a family of 6 if you can't support them? I know- that's just more racist crazy talk- right?

the highest teen birth rates? What's your explanation there? racism maybe?

Poverty and a lack of education. The same reason Irish and Italians, for example, had huge families and high crime rates and gang affiliation rates when they were in the ghetto.

You weren't asking me but hey that's my explanation.

How about the high incarceration rates?

High incarceration rate?

Debunking the Myth of Immigrant Criminality: Imprisonment Among First- and Second-Generation Young Men

By Rub?n G. Rumbaut, Roberto G. Gonzales, Golnaz Komaie, and Charlie V. Morgan
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Editor's note: The data in the first two columns of Table 3 have been corrected. Our deepest regrets for the error.

The past few decades have seen the confluence of two eras in the United States: an era of mass immigration and an era of mass imprisonment. A great deal has been said and written about each, reinforcing age-old popular stereotypes about immigration and crime (a Google search for "immigration +crime" immediately returns 57.2 million hits). But rarely are carefully researched connections made between the two, based on rigorous evidence.

The new era of mass immigration, accelerating since the 1970s and coming chiefly from Latin America and Asia, has transformed the ethnic and racial composition of the US population and the communities where they settle. Today, nearly 70 million persons are of foreign birth or parentage (that is, first or second generation) ? about 23 percent of all Americans, including 76 percent of all "Hispanics" and 90 percent of all "Asians" (two pan-ethnic categories officially constructed during this period that lump together dozens of diverse nationalities) ? composing an "immigrant-stock" population with a young age structure. This population is growing rapidly in an otherwise aging society as a result both of sustained migration and the higher fertility of immigrant women.

The Mexican-origin population dwarfs all others in both the first and second generations; it already accounts for 27 percent of the country's total immigrant-stock population. The first generation of Mexican immigrants now totals more than 10 million persons ? much larger than the next sizable immigrant groups (the Filipinos, Chinese, Indians, and Vietnamese, with more than 1 million each, followed by Cubans, Koreans, Salvadorans and Dominicans, with less than 1 million each).

Indeed, the Mexican total is larger than all other immigrant groups from Latin America combined, and of all Asian countries combined. Except for the rapidly dwindling remnants of the "old second generation" of Europeans and Canadians, US-born children of immigrants today are still very young ? in fact, they mostly consist of children, with median ages ranging from 9 to 15 for almost all the Latin American and Asian-origin groups ? a telling marker of the recency of the immigration of their parents.

Immigrants and their children are heavily concentrated in metropolitan areas, are predominantly nonwhite, speak languages other than English, reflect an extraordinarily wide range of national origins and class, religious, and cultural backgrounds, and arrive with a mix of legal statuses, socioeconomic skills, and resources. By far, the most and the least educated adults in the United States today are immigrants. Their incorporation has coincided with a period of economic restructuring and rising inequality, during which the returns to education have sharply increased.

The era of mass immigration has also coincided with an era of mass imprisonment in the United States, which has further transformed paths to adulthood among young men with low levels of education. Indeed, the US incarceration rate has become the highest of any country in the world. In California alone, there are more people imprisoned than in any other country in the world except China.

The number of adults incarcerated in federal or state prisons or local jails in the United States skyrocketed during this period, quadrupling from just over 500,000 in 1980 to 2.2 million in 2005, according to the Department of Justice. Two-thirds of those are in federal or state prisons and one-third in local jails; the vast majority are young men between 18 and 39. An estimated 80 percent of them either violated drug or alcohol laws, were high at the time they committed their crimes, stole property to buy drugs, or had a history of drug and alcohol abuse and addiction ? or some combination of those characteristics. Adding those on parole or probation to the incarcerated population, nearly 7 million adults are currently under correctional supervision, 3.2 percent of all US adults 18 or older.

The official statistics are not kept by nativity or generation, but they show that imprisonment rates vary widely by gender (93 percent of inmates in federal and state prisons are men, although women are now being imprisoned faster than men); by racial categories (there were 4,834 black male prisoners per 100,000 black males in the United States, compared to 1,778 Hispanic males per 100,000, and 681 white males per 100,000, although since 1985 Hispanics have been the fastest group being imprisoned); and by level of education (those incarcerated are overwhelmingly high school dropouts).

Among some racial minorities, becoming a prisoner has become a modal life event in early adulthood: As sociologists Becky Pettit and Bruce Western have noted, a black male high school dropout born in the late 1960s had a nearly 60 percent chance of serving time in prison by the end of the 1990s, and recent birth cohorts of black men are more likely to have prison records than military records or bachelor's degrees.

Today's children of immigrants ? both the first (foreign-born) and second (US-born with at least one foreign-born parent) generations ? confront a complex set of circumstances that shape their incorporation. Many are progressing exceptionally well, as evidenced by a variety of educational and socioeconomic indicators. For a smaller but not insignificant segment of this population, there is a strong pull from the streets, where violence and gangs make up a large part of the realities of central cities. By the time these children of immigrants reach adulthood, the impediments and opportunities faced as adolescents solidify.

For those with troubled pasts, the transition to adulthood can be an especially rough process. Those who lack adequate education, requisite job skills, and family safety nets, are hard put to find steady work and a stable source of income. Moreover, for some, a pattern of delinquency during adolescence signals deeper future involvements in the adult criminal justice system.

In this article, the aim is to examine empirically the role of ethnicity, nativity, and generation in relation to crime and imprisonment, and to test assumptions that are widely held among contemporary scholars and policymakers alike.

The analysis will be elaborated at two levels. First, at the national level, the focus will be on the incarceration rates of young men 18 to 39, comparing differences between the foreign born and the US born by national origin and by education, and, among the foreign born, by length of residence in the United States.

Then, at the local level, the latest results from the Children of Immigrants Longitudinal Study(CILS) will be explored. CILS is a decade-long panel study that has followed the progress of second-generation children from early adolescence to early adulthood, focusing on the trajectories of the sample originally drawn in San Diego, California.

Background: The Conflation of "Immigrant" and "Crime"

In the absence of rigorous empirical research, myths and stereotypes about immigrants and crime often provide the underpinnings for public policies and practices, are amplified and diffused by the media, and shape public opinion and political behavior. Periods of increased immigration have historically been accompanied by nativist alarms and pervasive pejorative stereotypes of newcomers, particularly during economic downturns or national crises (such as the "war on terror" of the post-9/11 period), and when the immigrants have arrived en masse and differed substantially from the natives in such cultural markers as religion, language, phenotype, and region of origin.

In the past, such were the prevailing perceptions that variously met the Catholic Irish in the mid-19th century; later the Chinese, the Jews, and the Italians; and, more recently, Cuban Marielitos, Colombians, and others. Popular movies like The Godfather and Scarface, and television series from The Untouchables to Miami Vice and The Sopranos, project the enduring concern with the presence of foreign criminal elements.

The present period is no exception. California's Proposition 187, which was passed with 59 percent of the statewide vote in 1994 (but challenged as unconstitutional and overturned by a federal court), asserted in its opening lines that "the people of California ?have suffered and are suffering economic hardship [and] personal injury and damage caused by the criminal conduct of illegal aliens in this state." [For the full text of the proposed law, click here]

In 2000, the General Social Survey interviewed a nationally representative sample of adults with a newly developed module to measure attitudes and perceptions toward immigration in a "multi-ethnic United States." Asked whether "more immigrants cause higher crime rates," 25 percent said "very likely" and another 48 percent "somewhat likely" ? that is, about three-fourths (73 percent) believed that immigration was causally related to more crime. That was a much higher proportion than the 60 percent who believed that "more immigrants were [somewhat or very] likely to cause Americans to lose jobs," or the 56 percent who thought that "more immigrants were [somewhat or very] likely to make it harder to keep the country united."

Such attitudes find confirmation at the highest levels of political leadership. For instance, in his address to the nation on May 15, 2006, President George W. Bush asserted, "Illegal immigration puts pressure on public schools and hospitals, it strains state and local budgets, and brings crime to our communities" [emphasis added].

Two days later, CNN anchor Lou Dobbs, taking President Bush to task for what he termed "woefully inadequate" proposals, framed the issue as follows in his televised commentary: "Not only are millions of illegal aliens entering the United States each year across that border, but so are illegal drugs. More cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, and marijuana flood across the Mexican border than from any other place, more than three decades into the war on drugs? If it is necessary to send 20,000 to 30,000 National Guard troops to the border with Mexico to preserve our national sovereignty and protect the American people from rampant drug trafficking, illegal immigration and the threat of terrorists, then I cannot imagine why this president and this Congress would hesitate to do so."

About the only point of agreement between the president and Dobbs seemed to be the equation of "illegal immigration" and "crime."

The belief that immigration leads to increased crime is not solely an American phenomenon; similar trends are evident at the international level. Sociologist Kitty Calavita's recent study in southern Europe, for example, reports that a national poll in Spain, conducted in 2002, found that 60 percent of respondents believed immigrants were causing increases in the crime rate, while a survey conducted in Italy found that 57 percent of Italians agreed that "the presence of immigrants increases crime and delinquency."

These notions, in turn, were fanned by media accounts. A content analysis of newspapers in southern Italy found that 78 percent of the articles regarding immigration were crime related, while another study found that 57 percent of television reports on immigrants dealt with crime.

Foreign-Born vs. Native-Born Men: Who Are More Likely to be Incarcerated?

Inasmuch as conventional theories of crime and incarceration predict higher rates for young adult males from ethnic minority groups with lower educational attainment ? characteristics which describe a much greater proportion of the foreign-born population than of the native born ? it follows that immigrants would be expected to have higher incarceration rates than natives. And immigrant Mexican men ? who comprise fully a third of all immigrant men between 18 and 39, and who have the lowest levels of education ? would be expected to have the highest rates.

Data from the 5 percent Public Use Microsample (PUMS) of the 2000 census were used to measure the institutionalization rates of immigrants and natives, focusing on males 18 to 39, most of whom are in correctional facilities. Of the 45.2 million males age 18 to 39, three percent were in federal or state prisons or local jails at the time of the 2000 census ? a total of over 1.3 million, in line with official prison statistics at that time.

Surprisingly, at least from the vantage of conventional wisdom, the data show the above hypotheses to be unfounded. In fact, the incarceration rate of the US born (3.51 percent) was four times the rate of the foreign born (0.86 percent). The foreign-born rate was half the 1.71 percent rate for non-Hispanic white natives, and 13 times less than the 11.6 percent incarceration rate for native black men,

The advantage for immigrants vis-?-vis natives applies to every ethnic group without exception. Almost all of the Asian immigrant groups have lower incarceration rates than the Latin American groups (the exception involves foreign-born Laotians and Cambodians, whose rate of 0.92 percent is still well below that for non-Hispanic white natives).

Tellingly, among the foreign born, the highest incarceration rate by far (4.5 percent) was observed among island-born Puerto Ricans, who are not immigrants as such since they are US citizens by birth and can travel to the mainland as natives. If the island-born Puerto Ricans were excluded from the foreign-born totals, the national incarceration rate for the foreign born would drop to 0.68 percent.

Of particular interest is the finding that the lowest incarceration rates among Latin American immigrants are seen for the least educated groups: Salvadorans and Guatemalans (0.52 percent), and Mexicans (0.70 percent). These are precisely the groups most stigmatized as "illegals" in the public perception and outcry about immigration.

further info here:

http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?id=403

What does incarceration rates have to do with health care and John Lewis being called racial epithets?

 

[Right Wing]

It's not a myth- it's a fact. The data is there- like it or not

 

[( ^_^ )]

^ your data is mythological because your sources are not credible, like it or not

 

[TheTruthIs]

LOL. I was wondering when the "my sources are credible, yours aren't" argument was going to get recycled.

 

[Right Wing]

^ your data is mythological because your sources are not credible, like it or not

The United States Bureau of Justice Statistics is a federal government agency belonging to the U.S. Department of Justice. Established on December 27, 1979, the bureau collects, analyzes and publishes data relating to crime in the United States. The agency publishes data regarding statistics gathered from the roughly fifty-thousand agencies that comprise the U.S. justice system on its Web site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Bureau_of_Justice_Statistics

yeah- but they're clearly biased.......

 

[( ^_^ )]

LoL at these TeaBagger idiots relying on unreliable sources and using wikipedia which is known to be edited by the CIA, FBI or any one with a lack of academic education to back up their lying bullcrap

 

[Right Wing]

LOL. I was wondering when the "my sources are credible, yours aren't" argument was going to get recycled.

Yeah- I forgot that any info they don't like (ie any derogatory facts about Hispanics or Immigrants) is either biased or not credible....

 

[TheTruthIs]

The user name changes but the denial of facts remains.

 

[Right Wing]

The United States Bureau of Justice Statistics is a federal government agency belonging to the U.S. Department of Justice. Established on December 27, 1979, the bureau collects, analyzes and publishes data relating to crime in the United States. The agency publishes data regarding statistics gathered from the roughly fifty-thousand agencies that comprise the U.S. justice system on its Web site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Bureau_of_Justice_Statistics

yeah- but they're clearly biased.......

LoL at these TeaBagger idiots relying on unreliable sources and using wikipedia which is known to be edited by the CIA, FBI or any one with a lack of academic education to back up their lying bullcrap

LMAO at asswipes with pics of their girlfriends in their avvy crying when they see facts that upset them....

 

[( ^_^ )]

One can't help but notice that these Confederate extremists cherry pick so-called facts although numerous studies by credible academic economic scholars have debunked all of their racist anti-immigration hysteria

 

[Right Wing]

One can't help but notice that these Confederate extremists cherry pick so-called facts although numerous studies by credible academic economic scholars have debunked all of their racist anti-immigration hysteria

Ok....go ahead and debunk these:


Hispanics have the highest teen birth rate of any ethnicity
Hispanics have a low academic achievement rate vs. their peers
Hispanics are incarcerated at a rate more than double that of whites

 

[Right Wing]

Ok....go ahead and debunk these:


Hispanics have the highest teen birth rate of any ethnicity
Hispanics have a low academic achievement rate vs. their peers
Hispanics are incarcerated at a rate more than double that of whites

Yeah- I didn't think so......

 

[Judica]

Using the overt racial stuff does nothing more than detract from the real issue. Probably the reason why no one takes the teabaggers seriously anymore.

They had a chance to protest and make a political point but they went off onto the stupid petty racial side.

 

[Right Wing]

Using the overt racial stuff does nothing more than detract from the real issue. Probably the reason why no one takes the teabaggers seriously anymore.

They had a chance to protest and make a political point but they went off onto the stupid petty racial side.

Lets review the Democratic party peace lovers. Obama's pal Bill Ayers is a meber of the Weatherman who BOMBED the Pentagon and espoused violence. LIBERALS burned down ROTC buildings during the VietNam war. Who rioted outside the 1968 Democratic party convention? How many CONSERVATIVES burned down Watts? Lets talk about those peace loving memberes of ELF who burn down buildings and car dealerships. How about lawbaiding New Black Panthers who stood outside voting precincts with clubs or those DEMS who bussed in protesters to the neighborhoods of AIG employees. And lets talk about those SEIU members who beat up a conservative selling buttons at a rally last fall in St. Louis. Or how about the effigy of Palin that was hung during the election or the movie on how to assassinate Bush? Need I go on hypocrite, Oh yeah...how about Bart Stupak complaining about all the threats he and his wife rec'd BEFORE he voted in favor of the healthcare bill...yeah those were Repubs and Tea Party members BS at him because at that time he was AGAINST the bill.

 

[grape ape]

Using the overt racial stuff does nothing more than detract from the real issue.
They had a chance to protest and make a political point but they went off onto the stupid petty racial side.

that's true they should distance themselves from it.