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The Estimated Cost of Illegal Immigration

There is way too much emotionalism surrounding this issue.
It seems damn near impossible to have a discussion without accusations of racism/xenophobia or blind nationalistic thinking.

No matter tho, there has been human migration in the Americas for thousands years, I don't expect that it will be stopped any time soon. :)

350 million and counting. :):):)

And the land mass continues to expand to accomodate. :):)
 
It's no wonder you wrote it.

There's nothing else to say to people who think the US can continue to take in immigrants even at 350 million people population, to look at how much the country has grown in the last 40 years and still think they should keep coming. Either people like that want the US to tumble into 3rd World status or they think it's all magic.
 
There's nothing else to say to people who think the US can continue to take in immigrants even at 350 million people population, to look at how much the country has grown in the last 40 years and still think they should keep coming. Either people like that want the US to tumble into 3rd World status or they think it's all magic.

naw its all magic ....just watch the disney channel
 
There's nothing else to say to people who think the US can continue to take in immigrants even at 350 million people population, to look at how much the country has grown in the last 40 years and still think they should keep coming. Either people like that want the US to tumble into 3rd World status or they think it's all magic.
lol
I guess you're supporting your dire prediction with some of that magic you're going on about.

I mean, you'll excuse me if I don't just take your word that the US on the verge of losing its industries because of immigration.

So then, you think that US should halt all immigration, eh?
 
lol
I guess you're supporting your dire prediction with some of that magic you're going on about.

I mean, you'll excuse me if I don't just take your word that the US on the verge of losing its industries because of immigration.

So then, you think that US should halt all immigration, eh?

Yes. I think low population is better than dense population. Once people are here they are here to stay. If you look at statistics (which I have) of the number of people who die or leave the US compared to amount who are born or immigrate, it has been a surplus of about 1,250,000 for nearly a decade, and a surplus before that for many years. Look up Immigration Gumdrops on Youtube- it shows the progression of immigration and it's impact on the future. It makes sense to me when compared with US vital statistics I've looked up.


And the above does not count illegal immigration, only recorded statistics.
 
Yes. I think low population is better than dense population. Once people are here they are here to stay. If you look at statistics (which I have) of the number of people who die or leave the US compared to amount who are born or immigrate, it has been a surplus of about 1,250,000 for nearly a decade, and a surplus before that for many years. Look up Immigration Gumdrops on Youtube- it shows the progression of immigration and it's impact on the future. It makes sense to me when compared with US vital statistics I've looked up.
I have no doubt it makes sense to you.

But what I asked you is why do you think the US will lose its industries if we continue to allow immigration? And while you're at it, what's the magical number, Rose? Since you've looked at the statistics, what's the maximum number of people this country can support before it topples into the horror of Third World status?
 
I have no doubt it makes sense to you.

But what I asked you is why do you think the US will lose its industries if we continue to allow immigration? And while you're at it, what's the magical number, Rose? Since you've looked at the statistics, what's the maximum number of people this country can support before it topples into the horror of Third World status?

Most scientists seem to think 250 million-300 million is optimum for resources into future generations. Globalism/Outsourcing has everything screwed up. Outsourcing which is mixed in with increased immigration for globalization is moving jobs out of the country and keeping wages suppressed here. It's all intertwined. The US doesn't have much "industry" anymore. If you watch that youtube video it explains a lot.
 
Most scientists seem to think 250 million-300 million is optimum for resources into future generations. Globalism/Outsourcing has everything screwed up. Outsourcing which is mixed in with increased immigration for globalization is moving jobs out of the country and keeping wages suppressed here. It's all intertwined. The US doesn't have much "industry" anymore. If you watch that youtube video it explains a lot.
Hmm most scientists, huh. Which scientists specifically are you talking about?

Ok, but you think the magic number is 300 million--anymore than that and we start our decline into Third World status. Ok, well the US population is currently estimated at 303,314,383. That's 3,314,383 more than your magic number. What do you propose be done, if that number doesn't decrease?

So now outsourcing, in addition to immigration will cause the US to spiral into a Third World country. Are you suggesting that a private corporations not be allowed to hire who ever they feel gives the best value for their dollar? Are you suggesting that the government put limits on who private companies can and can't hire?
 
Hmm most scientists, huh. Which scientists specifically are you talking about?

Ok, but you think the magic number is 300 million--anymore than that and we start our decline into Third World status. Ok, well the US population is currently estimated at 303,314,383. That's 3,314,383 more than your magic number. What do you propose be done, if that number doesn't decrease?

So now outsourcing, in addition to immigration will cause the US to spiral into a Third World country. Are you suggesting that a private corporations not be allowed to hire who ever they feel gives the best value for their dollar? Are you suggesting that the government put limits on who private companies can and can't hire?

The US government has H1B Visas which brings in foreigners to take over tech jobs- jobs that someone from India will do for half the salary of what US people are making on average. US people cannot compete with paupers throughout the world who will work for a bowl of gruel for a day's work, unless US people want to lower their standards WAY down. Of course the government doesn't have to allow those foreigners to come over and it doesn't have to allow job outsourcing. It was pretty much unheard of until a couple of decades ago. US companies can go out of the US if they want but the US doesn't have to let US companies send their goods back here to sell after they are made by practically slave labor - lead poisioned toys, poison dog food,contaminated toothpaste, whatever. US trade hasn't always been this way by any means and there's no reason it has to continue.
 
The US government has H1B Visas which brings in foreigners to take over tech jobs- jobs that someone from India will do for half the salary of what US people are making on average. US people cannot compete with paupers throughout the world who will work for a bowl of gruel for a day's work, unless US people want to lower their standards WAY down. Of course the government doesn't have to allow those foreigners to come over and it doesn't have to allow job outsourcing. It was pretty much unheard of until a couple of decades ago. US companies can go out of the US if they want but the US doesn't have to let US companies send their goods back here to sell after they are made by practically slave labor - lead poisioned toys, poison dog food,contaminated toothpaste, whatever. US trade hasn't always been this way by any means and there's no reason it has to continue.
So you're a commie.
Explains a lot.
 
[FONT=TIMES,SERIF] I don't have scientist's names. Over months time and reading that number has been the average of most all I've been able to read. 300 million seems to be the top figure I have seen in things I have read. Some say less than 250 million is optimum. No one I've come across has said half a billion or a billion- two billion. :rolleyes:[/FONT]

[FONT=TIMES,SERIF]Do you think higher population is better? If so, why?[/FONT]

[FONT=TIMES,SERIF]Here is an interesting article to me.
THE MOST OVER-POPULATED COUNTRY

Norman Myers

When it comes to over-population, one tends to think of developing countries. Consider, for instance, Bangladesh. Its population growth rate is 2.0% per year, which generates an additional 2.6 million people. By contrast, my own country, Britain, has a growth rate only one twentieth as much, and it produces only 60,000 extra people per year. But each new Briton consumes 50 times as much fossil fuels as each new Bangladeshi, meaning that population growth in Britain causes at least as much global warming as does the 45 times larger population increase in Bangladesh. Yet Britain has no population policy at all. We have never asked ourselves how many people are good for Britain, let alone how many Britons are good for the world. Ironically we could get down to zero population growth by simply eliminating half of our unwanted births, making for a win-win outcome.

These considerations apply even more to the United States. Its growth rate of 1.24% is far and away the highest among developed countries, which average 0.1%. It is even higher than China's. Only around half is made up of births, the rest being due to immigration. All the same, American women produce an average of 2.1 children, by contrast with 1.5 for most developed countries; the U.S.'s year 2000 birth rate was the highest since 1971. Of U.S. births today, 26% rank as unplanned and 50% of those are unwanted, both proportions putting the country in a league of its own among developed countries. In France, by contrast, the amounts are 15% and 25%, roughly mirroring those of other developed countries. During the 1990s the U.S. population grew by 13% ?the largest 10-year population increase ever. Can the country consider itself a truly developed nation with such a large proportion of its population growth being ?accidental??


Yet like Britain, the United States has no population policy, nor has it any thought of producing one. It even supplies munificent cash payments for a third child. Meantime its growth rate means that, if it persists, the U.S. population (already the fourth biggest in the world) will soar to well over twice its present 300 million by the time today's child becomes a grandparent. Is this prospect what the future grandchildren would want? Or even today's Americans? According to a Roper public opinion survey, 72% of Americans worry that overpopulation will become ?a serious problem,? and 59% think the U.S. population is too big already. In addition, most Americans say they would like the present immigration flood cut by nine tenths, while one American in five says he or she would like to see an end to immigration altogether. How about reducing the 4.3 million births each year? Yet an overall population policy remains an absolute no-no.


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[FONT=TIMES,SERIF] I don't have scientist's names. [/FONT]
And yet you said "most" scientist." Weird that you would know their names.
So in the 1970s the US was communist?
oh gawd. Yes, the US was Communist. :rolleyes:
Not liking unfair working conditions/slave labor and not wanting poison toothpaste is communist?
No, seeking to have government control who private companies can and cannot hire is communistic.
 
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