About Freedom

[Tony602]

there wouldn't be a need for this board if we all agreed on everything

budguy doesnt know what the fuck he is talking about

i think he is always someing BUD or drinking a BUD light when he is on

 

[Budguy68]

So, no answer to who these people are, eh?
Not surprising.It wasn't hard at all, but your questions are often idiotic--it's almost as if they're pretend, and you ask so many of them.

And If you're going to apologize, apologize for overstating your ideas and not supporting them when asked. You took several posts to kind of admit you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. You cant even say exactly who these people you're talking about. I know you're trying to put forward a libertarian type argument, but you're doing a embarrassingly bad job of it. But that what this all about--you get your ideas trashed and maybe you'll hone your arguments.

But there are no groups of people who think everything is supposed to be free, or who even think that somethings (goods or services) are supposed to be free. That's an incredibly absurd statement. And if you cant see that, then good luck trying to get your arguments across to the non-cheerleading online crowd.

I didn't get mad over you calling Middle Easterners "rag heads" (Why is it that you think you can judge my mental state?) I thought it was convenient. It's obvious your not against name-calling, so I knew you'd have no objection when I did it. And I already mentioned that when you asked, so why are you changing the story now?

No, there is an answer. If you did some thinking you would know it but hell I'll help you anyways.

The truth is the people think shit should be free to certain degrees. The tyrant and the criminal think everything should be free else they wouldn't be taking as much as they can. Welfare reciptiants think they are entitle to free shit like free medicare, housing and food stamps.

But nothing is free, someone is paying for it and thats where the injustice lies.

Its funny how your only attacking and makign a big deal about the weak part in my argument instead of actually talking about the whole topic itself right.

I am not against derserved name calling (who the fuck is?). But if me calling the 9/11 guys rag heads wasn't a big deal to begin with why even mention it? You mentioned it because It was convient or some bullshit? What type of a stupid answer is that? Thats fine, keep playing dumb.

But hey just for good times sake, ask me the question again.

 

[Budguy68]

budguy doesnt know what the fuck he is talking about

i think he is always someing BUD or drinking a BUD light when he is on

so says the high school idiot with the drug related pic who got kicked out of school for doign drugs.

 

[Budguy68]

(sorry 4 typos i was ina hurry!!!)

1. i couldnt have said it better!!!
2. good stuff!! i believe the spirit lives on and/or reincarnates, so while the physical freedom is zero, spiritual freedom is "all knowing, present and powerful"
3.corporations like everything else are neutral, just like a gun is , however i can use that gun to kill some1 or for hobby. im barely cracking the books on this issue but from what ive read so far, it seems that corporations create a barrier between the operators of the corp and the everyday world. what i mean by this is that they have a legal barrier around them, while the average individual is exposed. of course when people realize this, they say, "shit .. i should start up my own corp!!!" "its a fictional entity," as many researchers have stated, however its effects are real in the physical world. so while a corp on its own is neutral i still ask why cant the man just do business as a man and not have to disguise itself within a corp? well theres a lot of financial incentives to establish a corp, and the reasons for this is because the laws have allowed for this, but then we go back to who came up with the laws to begin with? the same ppl that depend on the ignorance of the common person. its easy to call a smoker stupid, however if big tobacco wasnt releasing the true facts about their products, how can anyone make an informed decision? same with the trans fat, up until recently it was unheard of and concealed (still is in many products and restaurants) but now we finally have it on the packaging of foods. its easy to make fun of that fat kid and tell him to stop eating twinkies but without critical information how can anyone make informed decisions? a corp is neutral, with the modifications they have accrued over the years, its tilting more on the harmful side, for example u have stated in the past that companies like cheap illegal alien labor. i dont like ppl picking on the illegals when its a 50/50 thing, the employers are just as guilty. there are favorable corps out there and i admire their ethics and business practices, ill quote a famous marketer dude that had an article in ad busters a few months back, he said something like " the free market is free of conscience." more than ever we see the "revolving door" with government and the private sector, just look at rumsfeld and nutrasweet, and the many ppl involved in that scandal.
4.corporations do need a tune-up however i wouldnt mind doing business with a man, instead of a "face-less " corp as sickminded stated.
5. now youve hit the heart of the matter. the natural pecking order amongst humans, the strong and powerful will be at the top. and *many* times ethics get thrown out the window and corruption arises. this is not a fault with the system (although its tilted towards the harmful side IMO) but in the hearts of men ( which the tilt influences.)

bLAzE-0uT

Whats so hard about understanding that "Eating fast food all the time is bad", "Smoking is bad", "Drinking and driving is bad" or "Guns are dangerous" "Eating red meat is bad". Jeez is that a new idea or something? Even my dog knows smoking is bad. Fucker runs away everytime I blow smoke in his face...

If I don't like the way a company is labeing their products or their services or think the colors of their advertising is offensive to Mexican Indians fine, just don't buy or do busniess with them. Its that simple.

I mean I hate corporations that pay government to lets say have a war that way they sell weapons, or make healthcaree free that way they sell their medicine but a lot more good has come out of corps then evil.

A corporation isn't just one man. Its made of many many people so in reality you are doing busniess with a lot of people at the same time. I mean I would really like to talk to the CEO of AT&T about my phone bills but dude comeon.... Busniess does not go hand in hand one's own personal matters. People do busniess not with who can cry the most, or needs money the most. They do busniess with people who can produce the most and make the mostmoney and that my friend is the highest of all virtues.

I guess I am the type of person that makes people resposible for their own actions instead of putting the blame on something else.

 

[bLAzE]

Whats so hard about understanding that "Eating fast food all the time is bad", "Smoking is bad", "Drinking and driving is bad" or "Guns are dangerous" "Eating red meat is bad". Jeez is that a new idea or something? Even my dog knows smoking is bad. Fucker runs away everytime I blow smoke in his face...

yes i know it sounds obvious to you and me, however it is still deceit, it is lies by omission. the big tobacco pay outs speak for themselves. if im selling a product which i know is addictive, and do not disclose that fact, i believe that is unethical.

If I don't like the way a company is labeing their products or their services or think the colors of their advertising is offensive to Mexican Indians fine, just don't buy or do busniess with them. Its that simple.

ur right, at its most basic level. but what then when damages have occurred? in the last few years there have been many recalls of toys all the way up to automobiles. and the most depressing examples, are what you have listed on your next paragraph... the wars, health care, etc.

I mean I hate corporations that pay government to lets say have a war that way they sell weapons, or make healthcaree free that way they sell their medicine but a lot more good has come out of corps then evil.

the endless wars make me think otherwise. =(

A corporation isn't just one man. Its made of many many people so in reality you are doing busniess with a lot of people at the same time. I mean I would really like to talk to the CEO of AT&T about my phone bills but dude comeon.... Busniess does not go hand in hand one's own personal matters. People do busniess not with who can cry the most, or needs money the most. They do busniess with people who can produce the most and make the mostmoney and that my friend is the highest of all virtues.

I guess I am the type of person that makes people resposible for their own actions instead of putting the blame on something else.

i agree wit u, the ceo part is funny, i was referring to the loopholes the corps have, that is exactly why they have become so powerful because the corp is a mechanism to have many ppl on board and not only many ppl but many corps as well, i recall listening to the radio one night, coming back from Tijuana, and by law they had to announce the clear channel subsidiaries , the listing went on for about 10 mins! they were naming, so n so LLC, so n so corp, etc etc, for about 10 mins!! the difficult part is coming to terms with corps, because it is business and its hard not to take it personal, as u have stated, i do not take it personal, as horrible as their actions can be, war, damage to the environment, etc, but i do demand the highest ethics. creating and providing service for humanity, is like u said, the highest of all virtues, im sure we can agree that corruption and manipulation does not go hand in hand with this virtue.

 

[Budguy68]

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[Observer]

The truth is the people think shit should be free to certain degrees. The tyrant and the criminal think everything should be free else they wouldn't be taking as much as they can. Welfare reciptiants think they are entitle to free shit like free medicare, housing and food stamps.

Provide some proof. But you won't. Because once again, you're making up shit. There is no way you can know that anyone feels entitled, or that there are people who think everything is supposed free, or that freedom means, to some people, everything is free--that's all the bullshit you made-up to try to make some point you--yourself--obviously don't fully comprehend.

Its funny how your only attacking and makign a big deal about the weak part in my argument instead of actually talking about the whole topic itself right.

The weak part of your argument? What's funny is that you think you've made an argument. You have no argument, you're just obviously too dumb to see that. You just drone on and make-up shit. Maybe you heard something similar to your "argument" on talk-radio, I dunno. But you saying you have a argument just shows you're delusional.

I am not against derserved name calling (who the fuck is?).

We are in agreement here, dimwit

But if me calling the 9/11 guys rag heads wasn't a big deal to begin with why even mention it? You mentioned it because It was convient or some bullshit? What type of a stupid answer is that? Thats fine, keep playing dumb.

Not really sure what you're babbling about here, but I'm fairly sure it has nothing to do with what I've written. So, I wont respond further.

 

[Budguy68]

Like I said, If you think a corps is lieing or doing something bad then don't buy from them or don't do busniess with them. The corporation that lies and sells bad products/services isn't usually the one that wins either.

Let people be adults man. No one has to play mommy and daddy anymore and make more laws to govern corporations or put restrictions on them.

America is a great place because people are free to do busniess without having other people getting into their busniess by force. It goes against freedom for you to be telling other people how to run their busniess. Believe in freedom man. We aren't babies.

 

[Observer]

We aren't babies.

If you came up with that all by yourself, you're a fucken genius.
Honest.

 

[Budguy68]

Provide some proof. But you won't. Because once again, you're making up shit. There is no way you can know that anyone feels entitled, or that there are people who think everything is supposed free, or that freedom means, to some people, everything is free--that's all the bullshit you made-up to try to make some point you--yourself--obviously don't fully comprehend.

The weak part of your argument? What's funny is that you think you've made an argument. You have no argument, you're just obviously too dumb to see that. You just drone on and make-up shit. Maybe you heard something similar to your "argument" on talk-radio, I dunno.


But you saying you have a argument just shows you're delusional.We are in agreement here, dimwitNot really sure what you're babbling about here, but I'm fairly sure it has nothing to do with what I've written. So, I wont respond further.

-There are people that if they had the power they would take everything therefore they think everything is free. I guess the history of powerful men rodding the people for as much as they can by force isn't enough evidence for you.

-Again Your attacking the same one sentence I wrote and not even arguing with the main topic. I don't even know what to tell you anymore.

-Gotta love idiots who say they aren't going to repond further because iam too stupid/delusion or some BS. Why did they even respond in the first place? Why would they waste their time arguing with me at all if they already know I am 'stupid'?

Dude I hope you never respond.

 

[Observer]

-There are people that if they had the power they would take everything therefore they think everything is free. I guess the history of powerful men rodding the people for as much as they can by force isn't enough evidence for you.

Just like you, I have no idea wtf you're talking about here.

Why would they waste their time arguing with me at all if they already know I am 'stupid'?

I'm not arguing with you, I'm calling you an idiot--and it's good way to pass time on the 'net.

 

[truthBtold]

fly me to the moon...

 

[Tony602]

so says the high school idiot with the drug related pic who got kicked out of school for doign drugs.

whoah i never said weed is a bad thing....shit i say u should smoke weed all day everyday

 

[Budguy68]

Just like you, I have no idea wtf you're talking about here.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm calling you an idiot--and it's good way to pass time on the 'net.

Funny how their are people who take anything they can get away with yet you still believe no one alive on this Earth believes everything is free.

You can call me whatever you want. It makes no difference. Lot of people here call me names.

 

[Budguy68]

whoah i never said weed is a bad thing....shit i say u should smoke weed all day everyday

Does weed make a person smarter or dumber tony?

Does weed make you better or worst?

 

[Observer]

You can call me whatever you want.

No shit. And like you said, there are people who are deserving of being called names. And I have no problem with calling an idiot an idiot.
But thanks for making your support known.

Funny how their are people who take anything they can get away with yet you still believe no one alive on this Earth believes everything is free.

Oh lord.
You start out about there are people who think freedom means everything is supposed to be free, and when asked to say who these people you're talking about you cant come up with a group who thinks this, a economic philosophy which espouses this idea, or even one name. So, you come up with there are thieves as your answer?! See, you are a moron. Even thieves don't think everything is supposed to be free. They dont even think stealing--in general--is ok. It's only ok when they steal, but not ok when others steal from them. So, even they don't think stealing is ok or that everything is supposed to be free.

But keep reaching to support your "argument."

 

[truthBtold]

No shit. And like you said, there are people who are deserving of being called names. And I have no problem with calling an idiot an idiot.
But thanks for making your support known.Oh lord.
You start out about there are people who think freedom means everything is supposed to be free, and when asked to say who these people you're talking about you cant come up with a group who thinks this, a economic philosophy which espouses this idea, or even one name. So, you come up with there are thieves as your answer?! See, you are a moron. Even thieves don't think everything is supposed to be free. They dont even think stealing--in general--is ok. It's only ok when they steal, but not ok when others steal from them. So, even they don't think stealing is ok or that everything is supposed to be free.

But keep reaching to support your "argument."

I just picture this dweeb sitting at his computer wearing a Burger King crown...

 

[DoeMemba]

that fucker has the thickest adam's apple ever

 

[Observer]

I just picture this dweeb

from the bitch who says "you're not at my level."
That's it, cheer-lead with short replies and pictures.